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Sri Siddhi Ma: NeemKaroli Baba's Spiritual Legacy

Nina Rao
Nina Rao
Aug 8, 2022
11 min read

Author Jaya Prasada spent 37 years in close devoted service to Sri Siddhi Ma, a silent saint who inherited and embodied the spiritual legacy of Neem Karoli Baba. In her debut book Sri Siddhi Ma: The Story of Neem Karoli Baba's Spiritual Legacy, Prasada reveals how Ma held the teachings of her guru with profound humility and grace, maintained a retreat home (Teertham) in the Himalayan hills where she gave darshan, and transmitted the essence of devotional practice through her presence rather than elaborate teaching. The book traces Prasada's own transformation from a westernized, secular youth drawn to worldly pursuits into a spiritual practitioner anchored in the divine presence of a living saint—a journey she now shares to illuminate both Ma's depth and the path of surrender through service.

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Who Was Sri Siddhi Ma and What Is Her Connection to Neem Karoli Baba?

Sri Siddhi Ma stood as a quiet inheritor of one of modern Hinduism's most beloved spiritual legacies. Neem Karoli Baba, the guru whose teachings and grace rippled across India and eventually reached Western seekers, recognized in Ma a rare vessel for his transmission. The book opens with a verse attributed to Neem Karoli Baba himself, speaking directly to Ma's exalted status: "Radhe, how blessed you are / What tapasya did you do? / That the redeemer of the three worlds / Is subservient to you." This is not mere reverence—it is an acknowledgment that Ma had somehow earned a place so intimate with the divine that even the guru himself was, in a spiritual sense, subordinate to her.

Ma's role was not to become a public figure or to establish a large institutional following. Instead, she embodied a different kind of presence: the silent guardian of a lineage. Prasada describes how Ma "always stayed back, never chose to reveal herself," making it difficult for those who encountered her to immediately grasp the depth of her realization. This very hiddenness was itself a teaching. In a world of spiritual marketing and self-promotion, Ma represented an older, more austere path—one in which the saint remains largely invisible, letting the grace flow through ordinary moments of service, presence, and unconditional love.

What Was Jaya Prasada's Transformation From a Westernized Youth to a Spiritual Practitioner?

Jaya Prasada's journey illuminates the paradox of spiritual surrender: there is no grand moment of decision, yet everything changes. Born in 1948 in Lucknow, Prasada grew up in what she calls "a traditional Hindu family but with a very westernized outlook." Her education was in English schools; she was exposed more to Western culture than to the Indian spiritual tradition she would later give her life to. As a young woman, she embodied the secular aspirations of post-independence India—she was enthusiastic, fond of photography, driving, mountains, sports, and friendships. A promising life lay ahead.

Yet something was already at work beneath the surface, planted in childhood. Her mother was deeply spiritual, and Prasada recalls how her mother would recite Sanskrit prayers each morning—the Devi Mahatmya—while young Jaya played or lay in bed. Those sounds, she reflects, "permeated my brain," and by age 13 or 14, she had absorbed the prayers almost by heart without formal study. Her grandfather, too, was both spiritually inclined and kind, with a personal library of three to five hundred spiritual books—lives of saints, quotes, sayings, scriptural commentaries. As a child, Prasada lived with her grandfather and spent hours reading this collection. The seeds were planted, though she did not yet know it.

The turning point was not gradual. Prasada describes it as a moment, not a process. When she first encountered Sri Siddhi Ma, something crystallized. "It was clear. There was no thinking, there was no looking back, there were no doubts, no pros and cons. This was it. It was her. She stole my heart." The family, particularly her two elder brothers, was troubled by this sudden shift. But her mother understood. She told her sons: "Watch her. Don't stop her. See how she goes ahead. If she's happy, if she finds the life fulfilling, do not deter her, do not stop her. Because there's no life better than this." Later, her mother too came to Ma and lived with her.

Prasada's transformation was not renunciation in the classical sense—she did not flee to a cave—but rather a wholesale reorientation of what mattered. She moved from the joys and enthusiasms of youth into "a life of serenity and peace...at the feet of a living saint." She calls this movement from the mundane into "a new cosmos which I did not even know existed." She sees it now as pre-ordained, though she made the choice freely. This paradox—that the path seems both chosen and destined—is central to the spiritual life as she came to understand it.

How Did Sri Siddhi Ma Transmit the Teachings of Neem Karoli Baba?

One of the book's central revelations is that Ma transmitted her guru's teachings not through elaborate discourse or written doctrine, but through presence and silence. Prasada waited until after Ma took mahasamadhi in December 2017 to write, because she needed time to understand what she had lived. As she explains, "After Ma's mahasamadhi, suddenly after many, many years I found time on my hands, and I felt that many who came to Ma could not really see her depth. Why? Because Ma always stayed back, never chose to reveal herself. So it was hard for everyone to get a deeper insight into her."

What Prasada was waiting for was "a spring to burst forth in my heart"—a moment when she could articulate what she had absorbed through lived experience rather than instruction. That spring came, and with it "a deep desire within me to share with everyone the endless love that I received from her."

The way Ma held Neem Karoli Baba's presence and teachings was itself a profound teaching. Prasada notes that "the way Ma held Maharaj" demonstrated a particular relationship—one that accentuated and deepened certain qualities even from her own guru. Through Ma's life and choices, especially in her later years at the retreat home in the Himalayan hills, she modeled what devotion looks like when lived authentically: not theatrical, not self-aggrandizing, but rooted in service, in the simple acts of feeding people, opening her home, and holding space for others' spiritual unfolding.

What Role Did Prasada's Mother Play in Her Spiritual Path?

Prasada speaks of her mother with profound gratitude and clarity. "Mommy was perhaps the biggest interest... when you talk about mommy, mommy was the biggest influence in my life. The spiritual aspect of me certainly—she was the source." Her mother, deeply spiritual in her own right, created an environment where the sacred was woven into daily life. The morning pooja, the recitation of scripture, the respect for holy practices—these were not exotic or foreign in her home, but the normal fabric of existence.

More importantly, when Prasada's life took its unexpected turn, her mother did not resist or guilt-trip. She did not demand explanations or ask her daughter to justify choosing the spiritual path over worldly success. Instead, she counseled her sons to watch Jaya, to see if she was happy, and to refrain from stopping her if she was. This kind of support—rooted not in agreement but in love and trust—allowed Prasada to follow her heart without the paralysis that comes from family rejection.

Later, her mother herself came to Ma and lived with her, completing a full circle. The spiritual seeking that had begun in Prasada's mother's morning prayers became, across generations, a shared path.

How Did Daily Life With Ma Become a Spiritual Practice?

The book and Prasada's account reveal that living with Sri Siddhi Ma was not a retreat into otherworldliness, but an engagement with the sacred through ordinary domestic life. Prasada describes moments that seem mundane yet carry profound grace: the prasad—blessed food—that Ma distributed; the small, careful acts of service; the way Ma responded to those in need; the flowers and offerings that people brought.

One story illustrates this. Someone came to Ma with a need that required her to help someone by sending them away for a day. When Prasada questioned this apparent harshness, Ma explained that the person needed to go home. Later, when Prasada was in doubt again, Ma "would be immediately up" and address the situation with both firmness and compassion. Ma's actions were guided not by sentiment but by a deeper understanding of what each person needed in that moment.

Prasada spent approximately 25 years going on pilgrimage (yatra) with Ma, traveling to sacred sites across India. These journeys were not tourist expeditions but spiritual practice in motion. Prasada describes how, even while traveling, Ma held a profound quality of presence. There would be moments when "the look on her face would change"—moments of inner absorption or reception that Prasada could witness but not fully articulate.

The retreat home at Teertham, where Prasada now lives and which Ma named, became the later seat of her grace. From the porch where Ma gave darshan, one could see the Kumar hills and the valley below. Prasada and Ma would sit there together, and it was in this setting that many received the wordless transmission of Ma's presence. The book offers "a glimpse of the revelation of the divinity of Sri Siddhi Ma" through these domestic, intimate scenes.

What Does the Book Reveal About Receiving Grace Through Service?

A recurring theme in Prasada's recounting is the grace that comes not from learning doctrine but from being present to another's need. She describes being in Ma's proximity "minute to minute, second to second," with "no time, no eyes for anything else." This was not deprivation but abundance—a total absorption in the divine presence that rendered other concerns naturally insignificant.

The prasad—the food that Ma distributed—becomes a symbol of grace "in the form of food," representing "abundance." Prasada emphasizes that in receiving prasad from Ma, something beyond nutrition was transmitted. The offering itself carried the quality of Ma's blessing. Similarly, the flowers that devotees brought were not mere decoration; they were vehicles of devotion. The act of offering and receiving these simple items was itself a complete spiritual practice.

Prasada's 37 years of devoted companionship were not undertaken as a long-term spiritual project but lived day by day, moment by moment. She was not trying to "progress" or "achieve" a state. Rather, she was simply present, serving, receiving, and allowing her own understanding to deepen through proximity to a saint.

Where to Go From Here

The publication of Sri Siddhi Ma: The Story of Neem Karoli Baba's Spiritual Legacy (Penguin Books, 2022) offers readers several paths forward. Those drawn to Neem Karoli Baba's teachings will find in this book an intimate account of how his legacy was carried and embodied by a woman who remained largely hidden from public view. Those seeking to understand what it means to live a spiritual life in the modern world—not as a renunciate in a monastery, but as someone navigating family, doubt, and the pull of worldly life—will find in Prasada's own journey both encouragement and realism.

For practitioners of devotional practice (bhakti), the book illuminates what surrender looks like not in theory but in the lived texture of daily service. For those interested in the transmission of spiritual lineages, especially in Hindu dharmic traditions, this work documents how grace flows not through institutional structures but through the hearts of those who remember and embody their guru's essence.

Readers can engage with the book in several ways: as a spiritual memoir, as a historical document of an important lineage, or as a practical guide to what happens when someone says "yes" to the call of devotion. Prasada's own humility and clarity throughout suggest that the book is not meant to elevate Sri Siddhi Ma into an untouchable ideal, but rather to show how one saint lived and loved, and what became possible for those in her presence. In doing so, it opens possibilities for the reader's own relationship with the sacred.

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[0:02] [Music]

[0:12] me

[0:16] [Music]

[0:31] hi

[0:32] i'm nina rao welcome to my podcast on be

[0:36] here now network

[0:38] this is a very special episode that i

[0:40] recorded when i was in india

[0:43] in may this year 2022

[0:47] right after it felt safe to travel

[0:50] during this pandemic time

[0:52] i left for india and the first person

[0:54] who i went to see there is jaya prasada

[0:58] my elder guru sister

[1:00] who is the author of this book

[1:02] sri siddhima

[1:05] the subtitle is the story of neem karoli

[1:08] baba spiritual legacy

[1:11] i met jaya um in 1998 the very first

[1:15] time that i had my first darshan vichri

[1:18] siddima

[1:19] and i have always felt

[1:21] a kindred sisterhood with her

[1:25] and it was really beautiful to spend

[1:28] time with her and to talk to her about

[1:30] the book

[1:31] and also outside the book

[1:34] now because we hadn't really planned

[1:36] this recording

[1:38] we did it with iphones my daughter uma

[1:41] helped me and we were sitting out on the

[1:43] patio

[1:45] where ma used to sit

[1:47] so though it seems very serene for us

[1:50] when we're sitting out there

[1:52] um actually you will get to hear a lot

[1:54] of familiar sounds of an indian

[1:57] household in the hills

[1:59] everything from crows

[2:01] to the pressure cooker

[2:04] people

[2:05] walking on the street a car driving by

[2:08] with music so i hope you will forgive

[2:10] those sounds we've done our best

[2:12] to

[2:15] you know

[2:16] try to remove those sounds as much as

[2:18] possible but also to

[2:20] make it more audible what it is that

[2:22] jaya and i are talking about

[2:25] if you are listening to this in audio

[2:27] only

[2:28] please know that we do have this on

[2:31] video with captions

[2:34] on the be here now network podcast page

[2:37] so you're welcome to come and take a

[2:39] look over there

[2:40] okay

[2:41] i hope you'll enjoy and thank you so

[2:43] much for listening and for being with us

[2:46] jay sitaram jaima

[2:51] namaskar

[2:52] this is nina rao from be here now

[2:54] network

[2:56] and i am so overjoyed and honored to be

[2:59] coming to you from

[3:01] the beautiful retreat home of sri sudhi

[3:05] which she named

[3:08] i am here

[3:09] with her companion devoted companion of

[3:12] 37 years

[3:14] who took care of sri satyaman

[3:16] and immersed herself in her divine

[3:19] presence

[3:20] and was with her when ma took her last

[3:22] birth in this home

[3:25] my dear guru sister my elder guru sister

[3:28] prasada thank you for being here today

[3:32] and we're here of course to talk about

[3:34] her much awaited book

[3:36] i know all of you have been asking me to

[3:38] hear more about sri siddhima

[3:41] and

[3:42] what better place to find it

[3:44] but in general's debut book entitled

[3:47] sri siddhima

[3:49] the story of neem karoli baba's

[3:51] spiritual legacy

[3:54] so much of the book in the beginning

[3:57] is about ma and maharaj

[4:00] and also ma's early life

[4:02] and her association with shri jivantima

[4:05] and also her life as a householder for a

[4:08] few years

[4:10] after that jaya goes on to talk about

[4:13] mars ashram activities and the time that

[4:16] they spent on yatra or spiritual

[4:19] pilgrimage

[4:21] thereafter she talks to us about this

[4:23] retreat home this beautiful home where

[4:26] ma actually would give darshan on this

[4:28] very porch that we're sitting on and we

[4:30] would be sitting out there

[4:32] in this view of the kumar hills

[4:35] and the town in the valley below called

[4:40] and at the very end we get a glimpse

[4:43] of the revelation of the divinity of sri

[4:46] siddhima

[4:48] i won't say more because you're going to

[4:49] have to read the rest

[4:52] so dale

[4:53] when i saw you a couple of years ago or

[4:56] more than kogit i don't know where the

[4:58] time has gone

[5:00] but after ma left i asked when would you

[5:03] share your stories with her with us

[5:05] and you said to me i'm waiting for the

[5:08] right time and waiting for the sun

[5:10] so what was that sign for you

[5:12] samina i would put it this way

[5:15] you and most of the devotees the people

[5:18] that came to mind

[5:20] saw my life with ma once she was

[5:23] there

[5:24] her divine presence was physically

[5:27] present

[5:28] it was minute to minute i was in a

[5:30] second second and i had no time

[5:33] no eyes for anything else

[5:37] it was after mars mahasamadiya suddenly

[5:40] after many many years i found time on my

[5:43] hands

[5:45] and i

[5:46] felt

[5:48] that

[5:49] many who came to ma

[5:51] could not really see

[5:53] the

[5:54] her depth

[5:55] why because ma

[5:58] always

[5:59] stayed back never chose to reveal

[6:02] herself

[6:03] so it was hard for everyone to you know

[6:06] get a deeper insight into her

[6:10] what i was waiting for

[6:12] i was waiting for

[6:14] a spring to burst forth in my heart

[6:17] and if you ask me

[6:19] why i wrote this book

[6:23] it's a deep desire within me

[6:26] to share with everyone that gave my way

[6:29] the endless love that i received from

[6:36] can you share with us how the change

[6:38] occurred

[6:39] you made me laugh the other day by self

[6:41] proclaiming

[6:42] yourself as an angry

[6:45] how did this transition occur

[6:47] from that jail

[6:49] to the one

[6:51] who avoids traditional dedication to a

[6:54] saint

[6:55] so let me tell you about the angry bit

[6:58] of influence perhaps it was

[7:01] we as i've written in the book we were a

[7:03] traditional hindu family but we had a

[7:05] very westernized outlook

[7:07] my education was in

[7:11] english schools there was i was exposed

[7:14] more to western culture

[7:16] it was just the indian culture at home

[7:18] that i knew of

[7:20] and how

[7:22] from one life to the other

[7:24] it's it was no marked change it was not

[7:28] intended it was not pre-planned it's not

[7:31] a commitment not a result it was just a

[7:35] slow smooth transition

[7:37] and from the joys of my youth the

[7:40] enthusiasm of my younger days

[7:42] into a life of serenity and peace

[7:46] and that too at the feet of living saint

[7:50] so it was like

[7:52] moving away from the mundane

[7:55] into a new cosmos

[7:59] which i did not know even existed

[8:02] so i would say

[8:04] the whatever came

[8:06] [Music]

[8:07] in my life it was pre-ordained

[8:10] call it disney if you like

[8:16] jaya

[8:17] mummy was very important to you mommy

[8:20] your mother who we affectionately called

[8:22] mommy as well

[8:24] how was she a support for you how did

[8:27] she encourage you on this path

[8:30] she mommy was perhaps the biggest

[8:33] interest i suppose everyone's mother is

[8:36] but when you talk about mommy mommy was

[8:38] the biggest influence in my life

[8:41] but the spiritual aspect of me

[8:45] certainly she was the source

[8:47] she was being a very spiritual person

[8:50] herself

[8:51] right

[8:52] i just give an example that for a

[8:54] morning pooja

[8:56] she would recite the

[8:58] subsidy and i as a child

[9:01] maybe i was in bed or maybe i was

[9:03] playing in the room but the sounds

[9:06] permeated my brain

[9:07] and by the time i was say 13 14

[9:10] i knew that the gush subsidies

[9:14] almost by heart

[9:16] so that is how it all started

[9:18] then my early schooling

[9:21] i was sent to uh my grandfather

[9:24] and i lived in this house and my

[9:26] grandfather again was a very spiritually

[9:28] and kind person

[9:30] who owned a personal library of just

[9:33] spiritual books

[9:35] and there were about three to 500 books

[9:39] and was just he and me in the house

[9:42] and that is how i started you know

[9:45] reading all kinds of books you know

[9:48] not so much the scripture but you know

[9:51] by difference of states lives of saints

[9:54] quotes and sayings

[9:56] things like that so that all that built

[9:59] up

[10:00] now the change in my life of course it's

[10:03] very natural

[10:05] see there's a child in the family with a

[10:06] very promising future full of life full

[10:09] of enthusiasm

[10:11] and uh

[10:12] very fond of

[10:14] things like photography and driving and

[10:16] going up the mountains and spores and

[10:19] friends and all that

[10:21] suddenly

[10:23] taking a turn

[10:24] for the life i would not say

[10:26] renunciation

[10:28] but yes

[10:29] giving up this world for another

[10:32] it was a bit strange for the family

[10:35] which was mainly my mother and my two

[10:36] elder brothers

[10:38] they

[10:39] were

[10:40] apparently disturbed but as always it

[10:43] never hurt my feelings i was the

[10:44] youngest

[10:46] spoiled and pampered

[10:47] so

[10:48] so that was it it was my mother it was

[10:51] my mother who spoke of at last

[10:53] and she told my brothers

[10:55] she said look there's something i firmly

[10:58] want to say

[11:00] watch her don't stop

[11:02] see how she goes ahead

[11:04] and if she's happy and if she finds the

[11:07] life fulfilling

[11:09] do not deter her

[11:11] do not stop her because there's no life

[11:15] better than this

[11:17] and as we all know

[11:18] later

[11:20] mommy too

[11:22] came to ma and lived with ma

[11:25] and you share in the book about when

[11:28] that happened when you saw mark and

[11:30] you're being drawn towards kenji yes yes

[11:34] it was the moment yeah it's not a

[11:36] process it's not a transition it was a

[11:39] moment in my life

[11:42] and it was clear

[11:44] it was clear there was no thinking there

[11:46] was no looking back there were no doubts

[11:48] but no pros and cons

[11:50] this was it

[11:52] it was her

[11:53] okay

[11:57] she stole my heart

[11:59] [Music]

[12:01] sujaya when i first came to kenji

[12:04] i came

[12:05] looking for

[12:07] feeling the presence of maharaji

[12:09] that i had felt back in the united

[12:12] states when i first heard krishna sing

[12:15] and i was so disappointed when i learned

[12:18] that maharaji had left the body

[12:20] you know so i thought i'm going to come

[12:22] to country and at least be in the place

[12:25] where these people have this

[12:28] it was at that time

[12:32] well

[12:33] you're going

[12:34] then

[12:35] you must meet satan

[12:38] and

[12:40] i didn't really know what to expect

[12:43] i arrived there

[12:44] in my first darshan with her

[12:47] my vision

[12:48] was of her in the room but in the

[12:51] presence of maharaja

[12:52] but then over the years

[12:55] i developed a different relationship

[12:57] with her

[12:59] such that i called her my guru

[13:02] and

[13:04] in all the time though that i was with

[13:06] her she never once said i say this

[13:10] i think this it was always she referred

[13:13] everything back to maharaja every single

[13:15] time

[13:17] so much so

[13:18] that there was a time when actually you

[13:20] were walking her across the courtyard

[13:23] and it was raining

[13:25] and she was just holding her saree up

[13:27] just a little bit

[13:29] and she did the end and yeah i looked at

[13:32] her feet

[13:33] and i looked at her feet and there were

[13:35] maharaja's feet

[13:37] so many have done this the way you you

[13:40] did one yeah

[13:41] yeah so

[13:43] can you share a little bit more about

[13:46] the

[13:47] the way in which

[13:49] she her relationship with maharaja we

[13:51] all know she took care of him for many

[13:54] many years

[13:56] and there are stories told about how

[13:58] maharaja viewed more

[14:01] but from your perspective

[14:04] what

[14:05] what kind of a relationship do you think

[14:07] there

[14:08] see nina this is a bit hard to answer

[14:11] i had maharaja jesus as a child

[14:14] so i am through the eyes of a child of

[14:16] course

[14:17] the blessing started pouring then only

[14:20] but

[14:21] it was not in my awareness

[14:23] then a whole

[14:26] say a couple of decades passed

[14:29] when i went through the grind in the

[14:31] world

[14:32] studies so on and so forth and and then

[14:35] when ma appeared in my life

[14:37] so

[14:38] connecting the two physical presences

[14:42] is not so easy

[14:44] but i would say

[14:46] where does the question of the

[14:48] relationship between the two arrives

[14:51] when two

[14:52] have merged one they have beautifully

[14:55] blended into one

[14:57] so where's the relationship

[15:00] it is like

[15:02] 12

[15:04] ma

[15:05] starts

[15:08] maharaj stops and then mara stops

[15:12] masters

[15:14] so thousands of people came to

[15:19] they they

[15:20] wanted to feel maharajji's presence

[15:23] and they came in mars presence and mars

[15:27] words

[15:28] mars

[15:30] constant repetition of maharaja maharaja

[15:34] maharaja said

[15:37] she reincarnated maharaja in their

[15:39] hearts in their eyes and in kenji

[15:44] keji was

[15:46] was i was infused with the presence of

[15:49] the being of maharaja so nobody felt the

[15:52] vacuum once they were with her

[15:55] well many devotees have actually said

[15:57] this to me yes you know that after

[15:59] maharaji left the body yes when and when

[16:02] my mom left the body they said

[16:05] who will hold mahaji in the way that she

[16:07] did okay many devotees have suffered

[16:11] so something beautiful is happening

[16:14] the way uh ma held maharaja

[16:18] after his mahasamadhi

[16:20] after ma's mahal samadhi it is my strong

[16:24] feeling that maharaja is holding mom

[16:27] and holding her up

[16:31] so many people

[16:34] we experienced

[16:36] two aspects of mom

[16:38] one

[16:39] aspect of her as a fully surrendered

[16:43] devotee

[16:44] and then at other times

[16:47] she would appear as the one

[16:50] divine supreme being

[16:53] as if they're two separate things

[16:55] did you have that type of experience

[16:58] and if you did how would you reconcile

[17:00] them

[17:01] well

[17:11] she

[17:12] carried forth maharaja's mission on

[17:14] earth which is perhaps amazing to redeem

[17:17] mankind that is what maharaji had come

[17:20] for

[17:21] and that was what maha did moment to

[17:23] moment you saw everybody sorry

[17:27] now maharaja

[17:29] was always bowing to maharaja complete

[17:33] surrender

[17:35] complete surrender comes with total

[17:38] self-realization

[17:40] and ma

[17:41] was a self-realized soul

[17:43] it was there but yes you are right

[17:46] sometimes

[17:48] our perspective shifted

[17:51] and from

[17:52] the devoted disciple

[17:54] of maharaja she emerged as the

[17:56] all-powerful mother

[17:59] and that is perfectly in line

[18:01] because as we read at the end of the

[18:04] book

[18:04] maharaj

[18:08] [Music]

[18:10] all proclaimed her as the mother

[18:13] universe

[18:15] the yoga challenge

[18:17] and then that is what she presented

[18:19] herself as at those moments

[18:21] that's how you suffer and that's

[18:25] important you guys

[18:28] so jaya when you say that

[18:30] maharaja came about next year

[18:34] to redeem mankind

[18:36] can you describe a little bit of what

[18:39] their activities were like how were they

[18:41] helping the devotees and people who came

[18:44] to them who sought refuge in them

[18:47] how was that

[18:48] say ah nina

[18:51] much was on the same level

[18:54] and

[18:55] much much more than the unseen

[18:58] if

[18:59] they did it it happened without claiming

[19:03] that they did it and without saying that

[19:05] it had happened

[19:06] so again it's very hard to give precise

[19:09] examples but as you know i was with ma

[19:13] when she was in audience when she was

[19:15] being

[19:15] [Music]

[19:16] day in and day out i saw the suffering

[19:20] of the people the misery that they were

[19:22] being subjected to not deserving it yet

[19:26] getting the worse

[19:27] there's hardly a eye that had no tears

[19:30] there's hardly a heart that had no pain

[19:34] and it was amazing it was amazing

[19:39] just being in the presence

[19:41] or a few words of guidance

[19:44] from mom

[19:46] you know

[19:48] there would be a

[19:50] a magical i would say transformation you

[19:52] know a magical healing

[19:54] so when i say redeem i would say that ma

[19:58] and maharaja

[20:00] incarnated on earth to

[20:03] remove the

[20:05] negativity the painful

[20:07] negativity of the effects of the

[20:10] age

[20:12] people were saying darkness ma and

[20:14] maharaja came as rays of life rays of

[20:18] hope

[20:19] and

[20:20] abundance of love

[20:21] with every heart received

[20:24] and that love worked amazing

[20:27] [Music]

[20:29] one of the things i've seen in common

[20:31] from what maharaji shared with people

[20:34] and ma then

[20:35] she accentuated it even more in my time

[20:39] was that in this age yes

[20:43] the practice

[20:44] that was going to help us the most was

[20:47] repetition

[20:52] so can you share some instances of

[20:55] ma

[20:57] you know instructed people in this game

[21:00] well you know

[21:10] you do this you do that

[21:12] as a regimen you have to follow nothing

[21:14] she looks softly suggest

[21:17] and the sweetness entered your heart and

[21:19] you wanted to do it

[21:23] [Music]

[21:27] is very powerful

[21:34] has the power to change destiny

[21:38] ramana has the power to alleviate

[21:40] suffering

[21:42] so chant the name of ram

[21:44] then as we know

[21:46] maharaja

[21:48] was

[21:50] and maharaja himself and

[21:53] then onwards laid great

[21:56] emphasis

[21:57] on the recitation of the child

[22:00] and ma would say

[22:05] is the

[22:06] veda

[22:07] [Music]

[22:11] next to hanuman chalisa was the sunder

[22:14] card

[22:15] that is

[22:17] the story of him

[22:18] [Music]

[22:25] he searched

[22:26] [Music]

[22:36] [Music]

[22:38] one day

[22:39] talking to me said she said

[22:41] yes

[22:43] that is very bad

[22:45] but when ma

[22:47] tells somebody

[22:50] it becomes a powerful mantra which is

[22:53] empowered

[22:56] and i felt

[22:58] that

[22:58] when ma told you to do something you did

[23:01] it

[23:01] [Music]

[23:05] you had it so i need to say more i'm

[23:07] sure there are many who are with us just

[23:09] now absolutely would share this with us

[23:11] [Music]

[23:14] i hear her words in my ears

[23:18] and the sound of the voice

[23:20] and the way she very sweetly

[23:22] but firmly

[23:24] sometimes also sharing yeah family yeah

[23:27] foreign

[23:28] [Music]

[23:32] it was very interesting uh you know when

[23:33] i first came tomorrow i mean

[23:37] [Music]

[23:45] [Music]

[23:53] eleven times would be good in the

[23:55] morning and i would do for now and get

[23:57] up and uh that you would say

[24:00] why 11 times

[24:02] 108

[24:05] oh yes my yes i'll do it and i'm walking

[24:08] backwards you know

[24:10] and on tuesdays or maybe every day

[24:12] during the sunday yes

[24:13] so that's how that's how my day was

[24:16] planned as i was backing out the room

[24:18] right

[24:19] right we thought we were fortunate you

[24:21] of course spent so much time with one

[24:23] see one minute

[24:26] yes time does not matter

[24:28] it may be a second

[24:30] it may be a lifetime

[24:33] so

[24:34] time

[24:35] is not amazing

[24:36] just remember that i agree i agree

[24:38] because i had very short moments of time

[24:44] almost every year

[24:46] but it was enough to carry me through

[24:49] the rest of the year that i wasn't with

[24:51] her

[24:52] and then when she left

[24:54] her physical body i felt like i still

[24:58] entered into her home through the

[25:00] practice she gave us that

[25:03] she gave us that refuge

[25:05] by creating this space for us

[25:08] [Music]

[25:12] you know many many after mother living a

[25:16] physical body

[25:18] many felt her presence

[25:21] more close to them

[25:23] more enveloping

[25:25] it was a constant thing in their

[25:27] lifetime

[25:29] and there was no effort required to

[25:31] reach out to her because she was there

[25:34] all the time right if she was there

[25:37] she was there all the time

[25:39] i think for me because i knew i had just

[25:42] a little bit of time with her that the

[25:44] rest of the time i was without her

[25:46] i had to be in that space anyway

[25:50] there were times

[25:52] you mean i don't know if you remember

[25:53] this but there was a time when

[25:55] she decided that we were not going to go

[25:58] back to delhi the way that we had

[25:59] planned

[26:01] she had a different plan for us so of

[26:02] course we listened

[26:05] but as a result of that she packed had

[26:08] some food packed first

[26:11] and this still moves me so much because

[26:14] when i opened the basket

[26:16] you told me ma has packed this way

[26:19] she oversaw it

[26:21] and in there was a little of salt

[26:25] and that just touched me so much that

[26:28] she should even think that we would want

[26:30] this so this kind of care and

[26:31] consideration for every detail for

[26:34] everything

[26:36] everything

[26:37] yeah nina for everyone yeah

[26:40] in in my group there's a chapter

[26:44] i could just mention a few

[26:47] who were really disregarded by society

[26:50] who were really

[26:51] not looked upon

[26:53] in a very acceptable way you know

[26:56] so their presence for the bother to them

[26:59] mom loved them

[27:00] mark cared for them more cared for their

[27:02] needs

[27:04] in the darshan room all kinds of people

[27:06] came they reached the poor the wealthy

[27:08] and everything

[27:09] but ma was so institute intuitive

[27:13] to the pride of each one

[27:15] to the pain of each one

[27:17] at the prestige of each one

[27:19] she honored the

[27:21] high ups

[27:22] but she loved the others as well and

[27:25] kept everybody somehow on the same level

[27:28] so what were you saying how she cared

[27:30] for everyone yeah

[27:32] well nina for me

[27:35] the perhaps the best thing in the

[27:37] creation of god is the mother

[27:39] we start with the mother that gives us

[27:41] birth

[27:42] you know

[27:43] ask anybody your mother oh i love my

[27:45] mother

[27:49] when the divine incarnates in the form

[27:52] of a mother

[27:54] the love and the compassion

[27:57] that that divine mother gives

[28:00] just multiplies a thousand folds

[28:03] it just

[28:05] envelops love

[28:07] you are in the cocoon of our love

[28:10] you feel the warmth of this

[28:13] i'm sure each one has

[28:14] had it in our lives

[28:18] and

[28:19] you talk about personal care

[28:22] uh

[28:23] there's a little that are written

[28:25] uh on the chapter on the night of 14th

[28:28] june

[28:29] her mother was awake the whole night

[28:32] even sensitive to the cries of babies in

[28:35] the courtyard

[28:37] and she would be you know immediately up

[28:41] wanting to find out if the baby was cold

[28:44] she would send a baby blanket if the

[28:46] baby needed milk she ensured that there

[28:48] was wrong way for the child

[28:52] you know these little things people

[28:54] still shed tears over them

[28:56] and she did that for us us old people

[28:59] also she treated us in the same way with

[29:02] so much fun

[29:03] for every little thing well alina for 37

[29:07] years i was a six-year-old child for her

[29:10] as long as mother was there in a

[29:13] physical presence

[29:15] my childhood had not ended

[29:20] during that time though also jail

[29:23] in your association with her and the way

[29:26] in which you cared for her you spent

[29:28] such close time yes i did and

[29:31] my understanding is that you were her

[29:33] driver you took her everywhere oh yes oh

[29:37] yes and you also helped with just even

[29:39] her day-to-day

[29:41] yes whatever her needs were yes whether

[29:43] it was her food

[29:45] in prasad

[29:46] and every little thing

[29:48] yes and don't you think that all your

[29:50] skills from your your prior life

[29:53] came into effect here what yes yeah i

[29:56] would say yes yeah

[29:58] two very important skills one was my

[30:00] driving and one with my camera

[30:03] so i started my driving you know

[30:05] initially i knew very little about

[30:07] mother in the beginning how she travels

[30:10] how she goes from one place to the other

[30:12] and i felt that people didn't want to

[30:14] share this aspect of her

[30:17] so i really didn't know where to go

[30:19] now so we had my mother and i drove to

[30:21] bunyad we knew the kumar was there

[30:23] i had come to know from somewhere that

[30:25] mom would be moving that day from

[30:27] bhumyadha to kg

[30:29] so i spent the whole night cleaning it

[30:32] was a november night

[30:34] i cleaned my car new footpaths so on so

[30:37] forth my child like mine whatever i

[30:39] could do we drove to mumiada

[30:42] so it was a little prasad morning

[30:45] then we sat with mother then there was

[30:48] some tea and but there was no sign that

[30:50] ma is going to leave

[30:52] after lunch prasad ma called me she said

[30:56] i will be going to catch you this

[30:57] afternoon so you better go home before

[31:00] it gets dark

[31:01] so i said oh this is the opportunity

[31:04] i said

[31:06] the car is there for you may i please

[31:08] drive you to kenji this is the first

[31:10] time you know i dared to say this

[31:13] so she said no no you go home today

[31:17] uh there's a uh

[31:20] driver govardhana

[31:22] he's a bhakta

[31:23] and i've told him to stop his bus here

[31:26] and i would be going to kg in his bus

[31:30] so i still remember how my heart just

[31:34] dipped my muscles sunk yes but i didn't

[31:37] show you know and um

[31:39] i did pronounce

[31:40] it

[31:42] but as i turn my back towards mom

[31:46] i couldn't hold my tears

[31:48] so there was this dip dip dip dip and i

[31:50] walked out

[31:52] as i stepped out of the temple veranda

[31:55] and i was going to step onto the road

[31:57] i looked back

[31:59] and ma was

[32:01] blaming

[32:02] actually

[32:05] flew off her head

[32:06] and you know the bars in the temple she

[32:09] held onto the bars and her words were

[32:16] [Music]

[32:22] and so it happened

[32:24] so i had the honor the privilege the joy

[32:27] the everything of being a driver for 37

[32:30] years

[32:32] and it was not just

[32:41] and the most beautiful memories of

[32:43] driving her in the mountains

[32:46] and the scenic beauty and mother would

[32:48] enjoy and we would feel like little

[32:50] monkeys with us you know

[32:53] so

[32:54] that was nothing the second was my

[32:56] photography

[32:58] i was it was my hobbies i think my first

[33:00] camera came at the age of eight

[33:02] i gave a birthday present from my

[33:04] grandfather and that's how it started

[33:06] but that came into use

[33:09] again this is my book

[33:11] ma

[33:12] permitted me which never allowed anyone

[33:15] to take photographs

[33:17] of her yes you know usually

[33:19] not in the ocean but when she was on a

[33:22] retreat on her travels so luckily we

[33:26] have these thousands of memories

[33:29] and

[33:30] we can revive we can relive those times

[33:33] through these photographs

[33:35] and as i speak to you

[33:36] it is my deep

[33:39] wish to share each of these moments with

[33:42] the world moments i mean photographs yes

[33:45] but i'll take them out slowly so that we

[33:47] can have a little at a time and

[33:51] we we live those moments with us

[33:54] and also

[33:55] my i know that you have saved

[33:59] precious items

[34:01] of your time with her and she shared

[34:04] with you that you've held close to your

[34:06] heart

[34:07] and then are blessed by her so simple

[34:10] right here

[34:11] is a beautiful photograph he's taken off

[34:13] mark's feet and what did you do well

[34:17] i think

[34:19] now

[34:26] tree and her two feet one was here and

[34:29] the other was there on this stone and

[34:30] beautiful storm

[34:32] so

[34:33] i couldn't take my eyes off mars feet

[34:36] and i stood there

[34:38] after a little while i got up to go up

[34:41] as soon as the back was done

[34:43] i picked up the stone

[34:45] and ran by the back way here is the

[34:48] stone here's the stone and i put it

[34:49] under the seat in my car

[34:52] and so this is the precious stone one

[34:55] foot here

[34:56] and the other one here

[34:59] and we get to bow to this stone we get

[35:01] to bow to the store

[35:02] similarly nina we would go out for a

[35:05] walk so i loved walking

[35:07] in the woods

[35:08] in the hills in the mountains early in

[35:10] the morning

[35:11] and i would

[35:12] really trail behind her and keep her

[35:14] company and she chose to take her

[35:17] so that was something very very

[35:19] i was saying very blessed

[35:21] and she would surely helped and she

[35:24] loved flowers she would pick wild

[35:26] flowers and show me the petals see how

[35:28] god has made them see we forget god we

[35:31] forget his creation

[35:33] and you'll give the flower to me and

[35:35] nina i saved each one of them each fern

[35:38] that you break each pebble that you

[35:41] picked and showed me hanuman's face or

[35:43] ram on it i saved them all and they are

[35:47] here with me so

[35:49] we call it the archive mars archive of

[35:52] mars relics it is here with me in mars

[35:54] housing

[35:55] it has almost everything that she ever

[36:00] touched or blessed or wore

[36:03] or was a part of us

[36:06] so i tell you uh

[36:08] we were in emporiani acanthos

[36:11] and ma it was right the house was right

[36:13] in the interior can you explain just

[36:15] what economist

[36:17] was it's like after uh i was in my book

[36:20] uh ma would go

[36:22] take off for a retreat into the

[36:24] mountains after she had had her aft

[36:25] after the big pandra june pandara many

[36:29] reasons for this

[36:31] the the staff needed rest the ashram

[36:34] needed cleaning up and all and it must

[36:36] stayed on

[36:37] the the people would keep pouring and

[36:39] there was no stopping to it

[36:40] and then the mothers were also tired and

[36:43] we were with her

[36:44] we deserved a a

[36:47] change

[36:48] so so we loved it we waited all the year

[36:51] for this

[36:52] so the website

[36:54] you were telling me about ikantha's body

[36:56] yes so mars trained her ankle

[36:59] now there was no medical aid or anything

[37:01] no doctors around and we had no bandages

[37:04] also somehow nothing was ever later yes

[37:07] we did carry our first aid kit but then

[37:09] we were what we were

[37:11] so somebody some local man suggested

[37:14] that you take

[37:15] i think just open ash

[37:18] and apply warm ash on the

[37:21] the strain of the injury and wrap it at

[37:24] night and removed in the morning

[37:26] so we really burned some wood and we got

[37:29] that ash filter and applied it on nice

[37:32] and clean and put it back in and she

[37:34] slept at night

[37:35] so there were five six of us and i don't

[37:38] remember who but they opened the bandage

[37:40] next morning and they were going to

[37:42] throw the ash so i'll put my hands full

[37:44] that's give it to me

[37:45] so that ash that was on a part of her

[37:48] body for almost 12 hours is here with me

[37:52] as well as the bandage

[37:53] for me

[37:54] it's something very very very precious

[37:57] and it is here with us

[38:00] so similarly we have not lost anything

[38:04] of hers it's all there

[38:06] some of maharajji's

[38:08] things collected by ma given to me over

[38:10] the years like ma collected us from

[38:13] maharaja said on a leaf of sand and bin

[38:16] laden

[38:17] and so when maharaji got up

[38:19] ma collected the the sand in her paloo

[38:23] and she saved it and brenda one and

[38:24] later and she gave it to me

[38:26] to take care of it so that sand from

[38:29] being marathi's field is here dust from

[38:33] our mataji's faith which i collected

[38:36] over time are the banks of ganga and

[38:38] other peace is here

[38:40] so we have a huge big treasure here

[38:43] it's such an expression of reverence

[38:47] and devotion

[38:48] something that is very unique actually

[38:51] to i think here in the east

[38:56] contains

[38:57] it was it was anything that i did uh

[39:00] nina it was inspired by her

[39:03] i was an instrument

[39:06] don't think worthy in any way

[39:08] but yes she chose me

[39:14] so jaya you know

[39:15] in my time with ma and i think many

[39:17] people have felt this actually you know

[39:19] often we would go for darshan and we

[39:22] want to prepare something

[39:23] good and appropriate to ask her and and

[39:27] whatnot and many a time we would ask a

[39:29] question

[39:30] and she may not even actually really

[39:32] answer it and say something completely

[39:34] different why

[39:36] because she saw what actually was going

[39:39] on she could see into our hearts and she

[39:43] would answer the question that we hadn't

[39:45] even thought to ask

[39:47] and only when we heard what she had to

[39:49] say

[39:50] did we realize that that's really what

[39:52] we were looking to know

[39:54] so

[39:55] this

[39:56] feels to me like an expression of her

[39:59] divine intuition and insight into us

[40:02] and do you have some stories like that

[40:05] to share yeah there were there were

[40:06] thousands of happenings like this so we

[40:09] really you know it was like an accepted

[40:11] thing for us that mother knows

[40:14] and mother's intuition is beyond beyond

[40:17] beyond everything

[40:18] and

[40:19] so many people would come to ma

[40:22] and receive

[40:23] whatever they had probably thought of

[40:25] nothing you wished for without having to

[40:28] ask for it this is happening all the

[40:30] time a very small

[40:32] memory comes to my mind

[40:35] there is a picture of hanumani

[40:40] embracing each other it's a beautiful

[40:42] picture and it is uh one of these

[40:45] photographs are framed in mars couti in

[40:47] which he lived in ketchi and i love that

[40:50] picture and i wanted to get a small one

[40:53] for my own personal puja older

[40:56] so it happened that i was going to priya

[40:59] and uh and mahi told me to go to priyank

[41:02] and chitra

[41:03] that time ma was not gonna accompany me

[41:06] though she said she'd meet me there

[41:08] so that was the biggest job of my going

[41:10] there

[41:10] but um there was i with this photograph

[41:13] in my mind this photo in my mind so i

[41:16] went from shop to shop there were huts

[41:18] by the bank of ganga they were selling

[41:20] these pictures and it's a common one

[41:22] so i must have gone for 25 of these uh

[41:26] little happenings where the pictures

[41:28] were being sold but i couldn't find that

[41:30] photo

[41:31] eventually we went to recruit and

[41:34] a month later perhaps i came to catching

[41:37] and ma was standing

[41:40] besides maharaja stuck it on the veranda

[41:42] as i came in i always ran and i never

[41:45] walked in tomorrow

[41:47] so

[41:47] i ran and there was she's standing

[41:49] outside which was absolutely wonderful

[41:52] and i climbed with the steps to do

[41:54] pranam to her and i noticed that she has

[41:57] something in her hand which is holding

[41:59] on close to her heart

[42:01] and as i bow at her feet and i get up

[42:04] and she hands me the picture and she

[42:06] says

[42:09] take is this what you were looking for

[42:12] and it was that picture of hanuman and

[42:15] ramji embracing each other

[42:17] so it's a small example yet it's a big

[42:19] thing and this is not me this is this is

[42:22] happening day and night

[42:25] yeah yeah for sure

[42:26] so you explained son you described

[42:29] something to me once that happened in

[42:31] the middle of the night

[42:32] yes that also was

[42:35] all

[42:36] was

[42:37] policing here

[42:40] audition something you know

[42:49] [Music]

[42:54] i would sleep on the floor in the center

[42:55] between two of them

[42:57] so like the baby of the family

[43:00] some sleep there

[43:02] so and normally the mothers were quiet

[43:04] once they were in the kudi and they

[43:05] wouldn't take long to really fall asleep

[43:09] so i suddenly mad that he gets

[43:11] [Music]

[43:26] [Music]

[43:34] such a big catastrophe

[43:36] such a big calamity so many have died

[43:39] such destruction all over many children

[43:42] have died they say big earthquake is a

[43:45] big earthquake

[43:47] so to my human mind i said no no mom

[43:50] everything is fine there's no earthquake

[43:52] here

[43:53] everything is fine enough my thought

[43:56] process inside is that ma is having a

[43:58] nightmare you know

[44:00] so i said

[44:01] nothing

[44:03] everything is

[44:11] she sat for a while but she was

[44:14] very disturbed

[44:16] then after a while she chose to lie down

[44:19] i lay down too but she didn't sleep and

[44:21] other to die

[44:23] so back in the 80s there were no phones

[44:26] there were no wires or any communication

[44:28] means like that

[44:30] in the morning perhaps the bus the first

[44:32] buses coming wire catching and people

[44:34] getting off they came they brought them

[44:37] they brought the news that there was a

[44:39] massive earthquake in uttarakhand and

[44:42] the entire

[44:44] civilization civilization there had been

[44:47] reduced to japan

[44:50] and you didn't have that experience the

[44:52] earthquake hadn't reached where you were

[44:53] no there were no tremors no nothing no

[44:56] indications whatsoever

[44:58] whatsoever nothing

[45:00] so ma was sometimes her mood was changed

[45:03] you know and we couldn't fathom the

[45:05] reason why this is happening even the

[45:08] look on her face would change

[45:10] and that would worry but obviously she

[45:12] was somewhere else she was not with us

[45:15] she was

[45:16] she was redeeming mankind somewhere else

[45:18] no that's it

[45:22] every time that we went to see one and

[45:25] you know maharaja bhaktas would also say

[45:27] that when they stand there he would

[45:28] throw fruit at them constantly

[45:31] so when we would come to the ashram same

[45:33] thing we would go to see mom and she

[45:35] would share stories about maharaji she

[45:37] would ask us about ourselves

[45:39] and then the prasad would come

[45:42] and we would have loads of fruit and

[45:45] whatever was just past what was brought

[45:48] in was passed along to us

[45:50] and

[45:51] over the years you know we have um

[45:55] felt that generosity that blessing that

[45:59] we received from the prasad that was

[46:01] given to us

[46:03] and

[46:04] i just it always felt like there was

[46:06] enough for everybody

[46:08] how how was that experience for me

[46:12] started

[46:17] [Music]

[46:22] emphasize

[46:23] the sanctity of prasad saying that

[46:26] consecrated food

[46:28] has the power to transform the heart

[46:32] the sad say hi

[46:37] how is food consecrated for people to

[46:39] understand so we call it

[46:42] so whatever is

[46:44] whatever food comes it is first placed

[46:47] in front of the deity yes and you

[46:50] you pray to them you invoke them to

[46:53] partake of it and thereby sanctify it

[46:56] and receive it as their

[46:59] grace in the form of food

[47:01] yes

[47:02] so

[47:03] in fact i remember reading somewhere

[47:05] that ma sharda would say that

[47:08] some energy

[47:11] comes and permeates the prasad in the

[47:13] process of poke

[47:14] and therefore the prasad is is now just

[47:18] it's like powered forward yes so that

[47:21] way so in this time or we

[47:30] in mars time the number of visitors

[47:32] increased many food

[47:34] so it was really organized and now but

[47:37] ma

[47:42] no matter what it was what prasad would

[47:45] be there for everyone

[47:47] and

[47:48] one of the attributes of divine advocate

[47:50] especially of i think the goddess

[47:54] it's shri

[47:55] that is abundance

[47:58] auspiciousness

[47:59] was buried in

[48:00] plenty

[48:02] and that was always

[48:04] so you were on this side of the curtain

[48:07] we were behind the garden there was

[48:09] nothing

[48:10] that was ordered the sweets one ordered

[48:13] the fruit wasn't ordered it just poured

[48:15] it

[48:16] people brought them somebody was

[48:18] inspired to offer whatever

[48:21] and that came into a room which is

[48:24] called the prasada

[48:25] and that was brought forth and mars

[48:27] hailed rizzo was always giving giving

[48:30] giving the whole day long she was giving

[48:33] at the end of the day

[48:35] she would walk back when she was done

[48:36] with everyone

[48:38] and there were there were big

[48:40] containers which was we would store the

[48:42] fruit that came say apples and plums and

[48:46] apricots and salt

[48:52] [Music]

[48:57] if you don't empty it how will you feel

[49:00] it

[49:03] and there was always abundance

[49:06] i have spoken about jivanti mataki

[49:09] she would intuitively order the amount

[49:11] of prasad for the visitors that would

[49:13] arrive the next day to feed them but to

[49:16] feed them

[49:17] how do i know tomorrow one thousand come

[49:19] out tomorrow two thousand cow but

[49:21] there's always enough and also

[49:25] which is poorly is mainly for reason a

[49:27] little would be left over which mother

[49:30] would keep in the those couches i call

[49:33] it

[49:34] and in the evening all the little

[49:36] children need the asham would come my

[49:38] book

[49:40] i'm hungry

[49:42] and so ma would send out that bucket of

[49:43] puris for the children

[49:46] so much full thought so much for thought

[49:48] so much love such a personal touch

[49:52] from such a

[49:53] high soul you know

[49:56] she never

[49:57] she never you know

[49:59] maintained a level

[50:01] she was with us all the time

[50:06] that was mom

[50:09] i think we could keep talking about

[50:11] endlessly

[50:12] as we have

[50:15] but um

[50:16] i'm so happy that you shared some of

[50:18] these times you know

[50:19] um with us in the book

[50:22] so we look forward to all of you reading

[50:25] these stories in the book

[50:27] one last question jim

[50:30] what would you say is the greatest gift

[50:32] that might be

[50:35] oh nina

[50:36] the thing is this

[50:38] what was it that she didn't give me

[50:44] if you want another line to it

[50:46] it was the life that she gave me

[50:50] for

[50:51] if you

[50:52] say it will be when it's ordered many

[50:54] lives

[50:56] that would culminate in this

[50:59] to live and love

[51:02] mother

[51:10] she was my guru she was my guide

[51:12] she was my son she was also my best

[51:14] friend

[51:18] so thank you all for joining us uh in

[51:21] this journey with jaya prasada and her

[51:25] time with ma

[51:26] and i'm so honored that you shared this

[51:28] with us jaya

[51:30] i

[51:31] had the honor of being with ma off and

[51:34] on for short periods of time

[51:37] but somewhat regularly from 1998 to

[51:41] 2017

[51:43] and we've all longed to hear more about

[51:47] ma that we couldn't see

[51:49] and i'm so grateful that we've been able

[51:51] to

[51:52] have a peek into the depth and the

[51:55] expansiveness of the life

[51:59] you know we couldn't put our finger on

[52:00] it

[52:01] but her mere presence made it very clear

[52:04] to us

[52:06] that she

[52:07] is the source

[52:09] she is the mother

[52:10] she is juggerton that's my feeling

[52:14] and i'm sure many are for many of you

[52:17] this resonates

[52:18] thank you so much for joining us

[52:21] the um

[52:22] details about where you can find the

[52:24] book

[52:25] will be in the text for this podcast but

[52:28] they are

[52:29] going to be able to be ordered from

[52:31] amazon.com in the digital format and

[52:34] also the print version will be available

[52:36] very soon so please stay tuned for that

[52:40] thank you nina thank you

[52:50] you

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